The Napoleon of Thought Crime ([info]darthbeckman) wrote,
@ 2008-08-04 10:48:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend!  Next Entry
Entry tags:memes, politics

Poll-age
Poll #1235048
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

It will be worse if

View Answers

McCain wins
8 (24.2%)

Obama wins
25 (75.8%)

On election day I will

View Answers

Vote for McCain
12 (32.4%)

Vote for Obama
2 (5.4%)

Vote Third Party/Write In
9 (24.3%)

Stay home
3 (8.1%)

Haven't decided yet
11 (29.7%)


(Post a new comment)


[info]snackbreak
2008-08-04 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I couldn't pick which would be worse, because I hate them both so very much. It's like asking "which do you want: death by injection or death by firing squad" and yeah, maybe some people have a preference, but either option pretty much just sucks.

(Reply to this)


[info]marliah
2008-08-04 07:24 pm UTC (link)
don't like either of them. I'm voting Ron Paul. I consider it my last political stand. Cause I think we are done with either one of those guys as President. At least I will have voted against em both.

(Reply to this) (Thread)

[info]remjte
2008-08-04 07:30 pm UTC (link)
I agree with your intent, I do, but in 99% of cases, write-in votes aren't even counted.

Some states require candidates to be registered to be counted as write-ins. Without registration, they don't exist. Ron Paul could get 30,000 votes and they wouldn't count, so the intended statement would be lost.

If registration isn't required, the write-in effort still needs to be large enough to be noticed and have a friendly media who mentions it.

At least look at Bob Barr (http://www.bobbarr2008.com) and Chuck Baldwin (http://www.baldwin08.com), provided either are on your ballot (Barr will be more likely than Baldwin). The real difference between the two is Baldwin and the Constitution Party get a bit god-centric with their rhetoric.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]marliah
2008-08-04 07:59 pm UTC (link)
If it doesn't get counted, then it doesn't get counted. At least I can live with myself. ;)

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]remjte
2008-08-04 10:11 pm UTC (link)
I understand and I agree. Again, I'd be the last person to say "suck it up and vote for McCain". I'm simply saying Barr or Baldwin could be worth your vote. This is coming from a guy who voted Perot in '96 and Badnarik in '04.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]marliah
2008-08-05 01:11 pm UTC (link)
I'll check them out, thanks for the info. :)

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]ikilled007
2008-08-04 09:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm cancelling out your pro-liberty vote with a vote for a warfare-welfare-nanny-police state vote: McCain. Of course, I already moved out of the country, so consider it a spite vote. :)

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]stremph
2008-08-04 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Cause I think we are done with either one of those guys as President

Dang, and I thought the democrats were the emo ones with the tendency toward hyperbole.

What, exactly are we "done with" if either McCain or Obama are elected?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]marliah
2008-08-05 12:34 am UTC (link)
I think we will be saying goodbye to more freedoms. I think we are done having a country that defends itself. And will be saying hello to more taxes and more micro management by big brother to supposedly "stop global warming."

I'm not being emo, just saying how I see it. I'm not emotional about it at all. I'm just choosing to vote against either of them.

God is in control regardless, so I refuse to worry about it.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]stremph
2008-08-05 01:30 am UTC (link)
I think we will be saying goodbye to more freedoms.

"More" implies we've already put the nail in the coffin on certain freedoms. What freedoms, aside from the obvious one of not being able to converse with suspected terrorists overseas without a reasonable expectation of privacy have we lost? What new ones are on the chopping block?

I'm just choosing to vote against either of them.

You'd accomplish the same thing by staying home, and you wouldn't have to have casting a proxy-vote for Obama on your conscience either.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]remjte
2008-08-05 08:25 am UTC (link)
What freedoms, aside from the obvious one of not being able to converse with suspected terrorists overseas without a reasonable expectation of privacy have we lost? What new ones are on the chopping block?

How about reading the first and second amendments and then looking at all the "exceptions" that have been created.

Do you really have free speech? Do you? Can I say what I want, when I want, where I want? What about religion? Can I worship where and how I may? And what about bearing arms? If you tell me there are certain guns I can't buy, or that it takes more than just paying money to get even the ones I'm still allowed to buy, are you not infringing on my right? When I do finally get one, why should I be told where I can and can't take it, whether I'm allowed to carry it at all, etc.? That sounds like infringement to me.

And that's just to start with.

You'd accomplish the same thing by staying home, and you wouldn't have to have casting a proxy-vote for Obama on your conscience either.

And you couldn't be more wrong. Any vote that's not McCain is not the same thing as voting for Obama. It's not increasing Obama's vote total, it's just not increasing McCain's either. If you can't get enough people to actually vote for McCain, so Obama wins, then, maybe people should have tried harder to get a better candidate than McCain. Just because some of you are willing to settle for less doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

Staying home, however, is not voicing an opinion on the election in any way at all, which is distinctly different from making a choice of not McCain or Obama.

Just because the majority of voters flock to A or B out of fear of the other one doesn't make them right or either of those candidates worth voting for. More times than not, the majority gets it wrong; that's why we don't have a democracy and never have.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)
I agree
[info]marliah
2008-08-05 01:10 pm UTC (link)
well said.

(Reply to this) (Parent)
Boo-hoo, I wish I could yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater too.
[info]stremph
2008-08-05 03:50 pm UTC (link)
When I do finally get one, why should I be told where I can and can't take it, whether I'm allowed to carry it at all, etc.? That sounds like infringement to me.

I'm big on the second amendment as well - hell, I might own more guns than you - but I also don't pretend that the word "regulated" is not right there in the text of it, let alone preceded by the word "well-." While the NFA and other laws are retarded, it seems to me that they are covered by the "well-regulated" language. I'd prefer to not see those regulations go any further though, which is something that is far more likely under an Obama presidency than it is a McCain one. Funny how a principled Ron Paul vote for your rights can have an adverse impact on mine. Even funnier is how it can impact yours.

Just because some of you are willing to settle for less doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

You're assuming I see a McCain vote as "settling." I don't.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)
Re: Boo-hoo, I wish I could yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater too.
[info]remjte
2008-08-05 06:21 pm UTC (link)
Well-regulated applies to the word "militia" not "right". If it were meant to modify "right" the statement would be self-contradictory. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty straightforward.

Funny how a principled Ron Paul vote for your rights can have an adverse impact on mine. Even funnier is how it can impact yours.

No, a vote for John McCain would have an adverse impact on both our rights. Your problem is with the people who will actually vote for Obama, which I can't understand either. President Obama would be worse than President McCain. The difference here is you don't see a problem with the latter, only the former. I never assumed you saw it as settling, in fact it was quite obvious you don't, but that doesn't mean you're not.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]marliah
2008-08-05 01:09 pm UTC (link)
The important freedom loss to me was the removal of Christian prayer in schools and replacing the truth of creation with the lie of evolution (which has yet to have any evidence of truth come out, find a transitional form, every one so far has been proven to be a lie, there aren't any). The government is choosing the curriculum to teach the majority of kids, and is dumbing them down and turning them away from truth in the process. So freedom to teach truth has been removed from our rights.

And no I wouldn't do the same thing by staying home, I still need to vote on local issues and for my state government. Congressmen and Senators are people I can vote for and make a difference.

As I said above though, I'm not real worried about this election, I simply threw in my $.02 because my friend asked for it.

God is ultimately in control and the ultimate victor. I really don't have time for politics, they are very low on my list of things to think about, there are too many people headed to hell, and I'm more concerned with that and reaching them with the truth.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]stremph
2008-08-05 04:30 pm UTC (link)
The important freedom loss to me was the removal of Christian prayer in schools

Didn't belong there. I never expected my days in a public school to begin with the words baruch atah Adonai because there is a time and a place for that and it is not in a school that is funded by non-Jewish taxpayers. I have nothing against Christianity (married a Christian woman and raising a Christian daughter) and I'm both conscious of and thankful for this nation's Christian roots, but I don't think that public funds should back one religion, even if it's the majority religion, over others.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]marliah
2008-08-05 04:31 pm UTC (link)
well thats your opinion and you are welcome to it.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]fieryphoenix
2008-08-04 07:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm undecided between McCain and writing in 'Abstain'.

(Reply to this) (Thread)

[info]remjte
2008-08-04 10:11 pm UTC (link)
The former does specific damage while the latter does nothing at all.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]seraphimsigrist
2008-08-04 08:15 pm UTC (link)
I cannot answer what result will be
better or worse...nor I suppose will
we ever know(what might have been
is never knowable) i hope that if
Obama wins he will not only seek ,as
I expect he will, to serve the republic
as best he can but also that the
results will be good.

Edited at 2008-08-04 08:16 pm UTC

(Reply to this)

Create an Account
Forgot your login or password?
Login w/ OpenID
English • Español • Deutsch • Русский…