The Napoleon of Thought Crime ([info]darthbeckman) wrote,
@ 2008-08-06 12:05:00
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Two stupid ideas
Whenever we complain about stupidity, what we usually mean is someone or something is willfully ignoring or is mindlessly oblivious to something obvious. Whether something is obvious or not depends somewhat on your general understanding of the world. So if we declare that an idea is stupid, what we mean is either 1) It's based on an understanding which we reject, or 2) there's something immediately untenable about it, so much so that anyone who claims to hold it is either lying, refusing to think, or has something seriously wrong with them. It follows then, I think, that people who spend a lot of time raging about stupidity are people who find it difficult to understand other people and other ideas. Complaints about stupidity are often themselves quite stupid. Stupidity is still a real phenomenon though, and sometimes it deserves comment. Here, for example, are the two great but stupid ideas of our time:

1) Freedom, taken as the ultimate goal or as an end in itself. Freedom is only worth having insofar as it makes us free to do what is worth doing, and what we ought to do. As an ultimate goal without any regard to what is worth doing - dismissed in a post-modern fog of "what's true and good for you isn't true and good for me" - it becomes the freedom to be free so long as it doesn't infringe on the inviolable freedom of other free and equal supermen.

2) Equality, taken in the empirical sense. People are different and those differences matter. Those differences cannot be papered over, nor can they be legislated out of existence, or erased under the right conditions. At the level of particulars, there is no good reason at all to believe that the distribution of intelligence, inclinations, or aptitudes is uniform between the sexes or between racial groups, and plenty of good reasons to believe the contrary. Nonetheless, if you make brief and entirely defensible comments about this simple truth it's enough to get yourself dismissed from your job and targeted for a witch hunt.

The two ideas that so dominate our contemporary politics, morality, and cultural discourse - so much so that to question them is to place oneself outside the pale - are stupid. That is, they are either willfully ignoring or are mindlessly oblivious to truths that should be obvious.




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[info]shadowfox24
2008-08-06 08:19 pm UTC (link)
Absolute Freedom is called anarchy. A riot is absolute freedom. That is why I stand with Hamilton and the Federalists.

Absolute Equality is an impossibility. There's a great quote from the Movie 'Enemy at the Gates' dealing with it:

"I've been such a fool, Vassili. Man will always be a man. There is no new man. We tried so hard to create a society that was equal, where there'd be nothing to envy your neighbor. But there's always something to envy. A smile, a friendship, something you don't have and want to appropriate. In this world, even a Soviet one, there will always be rich and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love."

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[info]ikilled007
2008-08-06 09:34 pm UTC (link)
>>Freedom is only worth having insofar as it makes us free to do what is worth doing, and what we ought to do.<<

And what we ought to do is not impose our will on others by force or the threat of force, even if we think God is on our side.

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[info]expectare
2008-08-07 12:00 am UTC (link)
I keep hearing this; it's easy to be coy about saying "oh, there are differences," but nobody will come out and say what they are. Nobody will say "there are differences, and they are x, y, and z." So, simply put: are women inherently stupider than men? Are black people inherently stupider than white people?

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[info]darthbeckman
2008-08-07 05:19 am UTC (link)
No. It is true that whites and Asians tend to have more people on the right side of the bell curve than blacks and hispanics. It's true that the average man has more of a natural aptitude and inclination towards math and science. It doesn't follow from that that women and blacks are "inherently stupider." That would be like saying everyone who has a lower IQ than Einstein's was stupid. And our current educational system is based on the premise that everyone can be as smart as Einstein if we can simply figure out a way to socially engineer the right conditions into place.

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[info]expectare
2008-08-07 09:38 pm UTC (link)
It is true that whites and Asians tend to have more people on the right side of the bell curve than blacks and hispanics.

It is true that 80 years ago, no blacks played basketball in the US professionally. It is also true that today they compose 80% of NBA lineups. Therefore, African Americans selected for basketball genes in the past 80 years. Or, you know, not.

Have the people who have so neatly laid out this post hoc ergo propter hoc considered whether white people in North Dakota's wastelands score lower on tests than white people in Fairfield County? Have they examined how children raised entirely in Chinatown and educated in Chinatown schools fare compared to the Asians who get placed in white suburban schools (which white people, ranging from to the sorts who collect statistics, leave alone)?

If scientists can reproduce this bell curve under circumstances where they've taken equal numbers of whites/blacks/asians/hispanics and given them identical economic, religious, and educational backgrounds, then I'll believe that blacks can't do math because of their genetic code. Until then, I'm going to go with massive violence, poverty, media that celebrate the violence and poverty, and bad government ideas that split apart black families.

Our current educational system is, of course, total shite. It keeps sending white kids who don't belong in college to college. If the people I go to school with are the ones who by virtue of their pasty skins have "natural aptitude" for thinking, then my diagnosis for society is "pretty much fucked."

everyone can be as smart as Einstein if we can simply figure out a way to socially engineer the right conditions into place.

Which is, as you say, stupid. There will always be a bell curve. But there is a whit of scientific proof that the bell curve will naturally be distributed along racial lines.


It's true that the average man has more of a natural aptitude and inclination towards math and science.

The only thing that's indisputably true w/regard to sex and science is that there are currently more men than women in Europe and the United States who pursue math and science. The reasons for this are up for dispute.

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[info]expectare
2008-08-07 09:38 pm UTC (link)
*(which white people, ranging from to the sorts who collect statistics, leave alone)?

This which refers to Chinatown, not suburban schools.

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[info]lima_pcp
2008-08-08 11:19 am UTC (link)
You know I love you, man, but you are the reason I will never, never vote for or support a serious Catholic aspiring to any position of power greater than running an Irish pub.

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lol
[info]darthbeckman
2008-08-09 05:04 am UTC (link)
I love you too man. You won't have to worry about this Catholic at any rate; where I'm going, political office isn't an option for me.

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Re: lol
[info]lima_pcp
2008-08-09 05:35 am UTC (link)
Grow a beard, get weird and disappear into the mountains?

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